Curse

Inner Salbat · Sep 17, 2008, 05:57 AM // 05:57

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Originally Posted by DreamWind

You have posted this numerous times and it has been refuted successfully numerous times...What is pictured on the box has no bearing on what the game is now. I can probably name 5 things on the Prophecies box that aren't in the game today. Not to mention, soloing IS an option as it stands now.

With Anet's current market plan, they really couldn't care less about current customers right now. They can say they do, but really they don't too much. All that matters is they keep everyone just happy enough to buy Guild Wars 2. Hell...they could even promise 7 heroes in Guild Wars 2 as an incentive to buy it.

Refuted or not, game being the same or not is of no consequence to me when I brought the game the reason I brought are the same reasons that they are now, and nothing is ever going to change that, I don't care if they changed it to hello kitty's wild PvP romp-a-stomp although I wouldn't be playing because I detest PvP.

Even if they offer bribes of 1000NZD a copy for me to play GW2 I will not, I've had a guts full of the way they handle there games, after I've completed all my goals the only reason they'll see my money again is if they release the server software for GW1 so that I can play/add to it myself, I am done with ArenaNet (oh the things I would love to type here).

The only reason I'm still playing? I don't like leaving things unfinished or incomplete, that includes titles I paid money for it I want every inch of content there is not 60% but 100%.

zwei2stein · Sep 17, 2008, 06:08 AM // 06:08

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Originally Posted by JDRyder

why would he play with me then? people can already solo.

Yet you seem to want to prevent such people from 7h-ing and to form groups with humans as much as possible.

Reiterate: Would you like to play with person who would ditch you for 7h-ing?

rexalex · Sep 17, 2008, 06:11 AM // 06:11

i play just bcoz i didnt find a more reliable gametime/price game.
ANET continously scaling down our fun, they using gw as prebeta for GW2.
decreasing drop, farm flagging,... 7heroes just one piece of the cake.

And its getting bitter...

DreamWind · Sep 17, 2008, 06:41 AM // 06:41

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Originally Posted by Inner Salbat

Refuted or not, game being the same or not is of no consequence to me when I brought the game the reason I brought are the same reasons that they are now, and nothing is ever going to change that, I don't care if they changed it to hello kitty's wild PvP romp-a-stomp although I wouldn't be playing because I detest PvP.

Ok you are really starting to lose me now. You bought a game called Guild Wars with the intention of playing solo non-PvP? LoL dude. The game was originally made as a multiplayer competitive game...

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Originally Posted by Inner Salbat

Even if they offer bribes of 1000NZD a copy for me to play GW2 I will not, I've had a guts full of the way they handle there games, after I've completed all my goals the only reason they'll see my money again is if they release the server software for GW1 so that I can play/add to it myself, I am done with ArenaNet (oh the things I would love to type here).

So even if Anet added 7 heroes to make people like you happy, it would not benefit them in the slightest.

Inner Salbat · Sep 17, 2008, 07:26 AM // 07:26

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Originally Posted by rexalex

And its getting bitter...

Yeah if I could say how I really felt about them with some impunity but I'd get the ban stick, but rather than stoop to that level I'll vote with my money when GW2 comes out, sure I'm 1 person and I'm not going to make or break them but I'm bitter at what they've done which doesn't make a good spokes man for prompting GW2 to my friends, one of which did buy it purely on my recommendation who then recommended it to someone else he knew too, not just a single capture either both of them brought the entire set.

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Originally Posted by DreamWind

Ok you are really starting to lose me now. You bought a game called Guild Wars with the intention of playing solo non-PvP? LoL dude. The game was originally made as a multiplayer competitive game...

So even if Anet added 7 heroes to make people like you happy, it would not benefit them in the slightest.

I think you might be taking me a little out of context there, I hoped there would be people to play with my fall back plan was that it could also be soloed, so it's a bit of both, but since my friends have left and I don't feel like making new ones too see them go again and repeating a cycle endlessly, I choose the solo route in the hope that ANet would come to the senses and add more heroes to the party.

It wouldn't benefit me for GW2 no, it might if there lucky go some way towards repairing the bitterness I have towards them doing so for GW1 though.

sixofone · Sep 17, 2008, 01:42 PM // 13:42

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Originally Posted by Inner Salbat

I hoped there would be people to play with my fall back plan was that it could also be soloed, so it's a bit of both, but since my friends have left and I don't feel like making new ones too see them go again and repeating a cycle endlessly, I choose the solo route in the hope that ANet would come to the senses and add more heroes to the party.

For me as well.

I hadn't found a MMO I liked prior to my coming across GW:Nightfall. The reason I went ahead and bought it was because I had the option to solo - I wasn't committed to having to play with a group. That appealed to me because I'm not great at computer games - I can't type/chat while trying to maneuver/react with my character, don't enjoy button mashing, etc. Not wanting to be a n00b getting other people killed while I learned the game, solo (H&H) was the way to go for me.

I also like customization, and Heroes are just one more part of that.

JDRyder · Sep 17, 2008, 02:48 PM // 14:48

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

Not just a "yah huh": A "yah huh, now here's WHY". Huge difference. "Just about every 1 has used Ebay, amazon or something like it" is such a bogus statement that I won't even touch it (lawlz too late!)

wtf are you talking about, i gave reasons to why i dont like pve skills, and yes every 1 buys shit online, have you even been to ebay or amazon? there's millions of accounts

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

Most GW players don't use the online store for numerous reasons, but largely it's game they don't need. What can you get from the store as a casual player? More slots? Pointless when you're only playing with a couple. All skills? Not very useful when you're just playing simply through a campaign as one profession. Vanity skins? Little point, save for the max weapon ones (but even then it's considered a waste of moolah).

wtf are you talking about, tons of people use the online store. How do you know how many people use it, all you do is solo right?

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

I still see you doing your "nuh uh's", though. Back up why you don't see PvE skills too "useful". For me personally I don't need to rely on them. I fully understand that PvE skills are quite good but I don't need a crutch.

cause non-pve only skills are just as good, did you even read when i said? you mixing up a "ok" skill with "a gr8" skill.

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

In the meantime, try answering these simple (hopefully) questions:

try reading so you dont have to ask what 2+2 is again

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

"Not needed" is not an answer.

the answer was in the quote above it...

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

There was just too much travesty too ignore.

well you wanted to "save the forum" right?

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

And I can agree with discussion - but there wasn't any, hence why I stopped. I see that hasn't stopped you, though.

what are you talking about no discussion? Did you not see how long our quotes were?

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Originally Posted by pamelf

JDRyder, may I suggest you read this post from page 5 I think it is... While I don't agree with everything this person has written it is succinctly put, with reasons for his/her opinion. My opinion may be different to theirs, but I can see where their thoughts are coming from and therefore try to gain an understanding of what their mindset is behind their opinion, leading to an intelligent discussion/argument over the merits of both sides.

we are on page 84, you can only tell some1 "2+2=4" before you stop putting things succinctly.

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Originally Posted by pamelf

In order to contribute to a discussion with such a stoic argument you need to be able to give us a valid counter argument. Bryant Again is giving valid points at every turn, and none of your counters are actually 'countering' him. You are also making sweeping generalizations about who does what on the internet which is clearly not helping your cause.

umm no, my counters are good, hes saying "people dont buy stuff on the internet" how is that a counter? Maybe its you that needs the POV change.

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Originally Posted by pamelf

You have yet to illustrate why 7 heroes will affect gameplay in general, and PUGs in general. So far the counter points have far outweighed your original points.

yes 2+2=4, Ive done thing for the last 20 some pages now.

Simple questions which you can answer:

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Originally Posted by pamelf

Why will 7 heroes mean a decrease in PUGs as most players who don't like to PUG don't already and get by with H/H or guildees?

Heros are more appealing cause a lot of times they get things done faster, adding 7heros would just get more poeple to use them cause then thing would get done even faster.

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Originally Posted by pamelf

What of those of us who do mod our heroes and treat them as viable members of our party? Should our gameplay be punished just because you choose not to utilize a game mechanic?

whats keeping you from H/Hing now?

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Originally Posted by pamelf

Could you, for the sake of discussion just dot point your major objections to 7 heroes? I would like to see them put succinctly as it's difficult to get a sense of your argument through all the quoting and off topic discussion about PVE skills and console co-op games.

umm i was talking about sloppy content, Bryant started all that with talking about starcraft

Inner Salbat · Sep 17, 2008, 02:59 PM // 14:59

Alright looks like time to back the guy up.

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Originally Posted by JDRyder

wtf are you talking about, i gave reasons to why i dont like pve skills, and yes every 1 buys shit online, have you even been to ebay or amazon? there's millions of accounts

So I have an account too never brought a thing.

Anet say 3+ million gw accounts if you think that equals 3 million people your off your rocker and should seek physicartic help immediately.

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Originally Posted by JDRyder

wtf are you talking about, tons of people use the online store. How do you know how many people use it, all you do is solo right?

so? I didn't buy UAX packs because I'm not a lazy sod and put effort into the game to unlock them the traditional way, besides UAX packs exist for PvP players not PvE, it's just a knock on effect that Heroes benefit from this pack too.

Bryant Again · Sep 17, 2008, 03:07 PM // 15:07

Yeup, you just keep ignoring what I say and keep on clicking "post reply". I've asked you for valid proof over and over again and you keep dodging it. Congratulations, you have no point.

I also suggest reading Pamelf's post, since it was directly aimed at you.

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Originally Posted by JDRyder

wtf are you talking about, i gave reasons to why i dont like pve skills, and yes every 1 buys shit online, have you even been to ebay or amazon? there's millions of accounts

wtf are you talking about, tons of people use the online store. How do you know how many people use it, all you do is solo right?

Firstly: No. Most people do not use online purchasing. This isn't to say that no one does it. Most people, though, are very content *NOT* giving their personal information over the internet and simply walking up to the bookstore. Granted, eBay can be pretty cool when

In regards to how I know about who uses the store: Based on the above and based on what I've said earlier...

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

Most GW players don't use the online store for numerous reasons, but largely it's game they don't need. What can you get from the store as a casual player? More slots? Pointless when you're only playing with a couple. All skills? Not very useful when you're just playing simply through a campaign as one profession. Vanity skins? Little point, save for the max weapon ones (but even then it's considered a waste of moolah).

...Most people will not use the store. The casual majority is labeled casual for a reason.

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Originally Posted by JDRyder

cause non-pve only skills are just as good, did you even read when i said? you mixing up a "ok" skill with "a gr8" skill.

You're not answering the questions. Or are you ignoring them because you don't like the answers?

Put to me the non-PvE skill damage equivilent of a full team in the Realm of Torment with 8 Lightbringer's Gazes.

Point to me defensive equivalent of a team with two copies of Save Yourselves!.

When you can do that, then I will bow down to you and prove you right. The only problem is that you can't.

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

well you wanted to "save the forum" right?

I wanted to point out that your "arguments", if you can call them that, have zero weight to them. I have been successful.

And off-topic discussion =/= on topic discussion, so there fore off-topic discussion = shit. Welcome to the forum.

And there's really not a whole lot to say, Sailbat. There will be when he actually pulls out something to support his arguments but he can't find anything, and the things he *does* find hurt his "point" even more.

JDRyder · Sep 17, 2008, 03:10 PM // 15:10

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Originally Posted by Inner Salbat

Alright looks like time to back the guy up.

miss me?

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Originally Posted by Inner Salbat

So I have an account too never brought a thing.

so that means no1 uses it? how do you know how many people use it? you only solo.

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Originally Posted by Inner Salbat

Anet say 3+ million gw accounts if you think that equals 3 million people your off your rocker and should seek physicartic help immediately.

what? Are you saying cause theres 3million GW accounts, that means theres only 3million ebay, amazon D2D, gamefly etc accounts? Face it lot of people buy stuff online now.

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Originally Posted by Inner Salbat

so? I didn't buy UAX packs because I'm not a lazy sod and put effort into the game to unlock them the traditional way, besides UAX packs exist for PvP players not PvE, it's just a knock on effect that Heroes benefit from this pack too.

they unlock all the the skills, for the heros, that was what we were talking about, not for the player

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

I also suggest reading Pamelf's post, since it was directly aimed at you.

i alrdy added that in. before you made this

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

Firstly: No. Most people do not use online purchasing. This isn't to say that no one does it. Most people, though, are very content *NOT* giving their personal information over the internet and simply walking up to the bookstore. Granted, eBay can be pretty cool when

I dont know any1 that has not used Ebay, just cause people dont like putting their numbers on the internet does not mean they do not still buy stuff online.

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

In regards to how I know about who uses the store: Based on the above and based on what I've said earlier...

answer is above

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

You're not answering the questions. Or are you ignoring them because you don't like the answers?

ive already have, but w/e

1) You can only use that skill In a few places, so its not as useful as a skill you can use any where. Ive done DoA a few times w/o having it on any1 and not had any real problems that were due to not having it.

2) they both are bad, use a para with SY and a ES war, nothing will die. Armor is maxed at 100 any way so its not a big change in armor "think it will be about 10-15? if they use shield sets it does not matter anyway" so its not a big change, some OP skill.

Bryant Again · Sep 17, 2008, 03:27 PM // 15:27

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Originally Posted by JDRyder

i alrdy added that in. before you made this

Oh ho ho, and my GOD that's some shit posting right there.

-Your "counters" are crap because throughout this whole thread you haven't backed them up in any way shape or form and what you *have* brought out has further proved you know nothing about what you're talking about.

-"Heros are more appealing cause a lot of times they get things done faster, adding 7heros would just get more poeple to use them cause then thing would get done even faster" proved that you've read and done nothing in this thread since I've explained how they're ONLY appealing to a FEW people and the casual majority will get MORE out of simply playing with henchmen.

-"whats keeping you from H/Hing now?" was not a response to 'making our game more difficult' but simply just altering the gameplay. The valid argument for 7 heroes is that it would provide much more customization and personalization while having little to no effect on the current game.

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Originally Posted by JDRyder

I dont know any1 that has not used Ebay, just cause people dont like putting their numbers on the internet does not mean they do not still buy stuff online.

What a valid (sarcasm btw) argument. "i dont know any1 that hasn't used eBay", so therefore EVERYBODY uses the internet to buy stuff! You are simply amazing and providing examples of glaringly bad logical fallacies.

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Originally Posted by JDRyder

answer is above

Answer is bad.

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Originally Posted by JDRyder

1) You can only use that skill In a few places, so its not as useful as a skill you can use any where. Ive done DoA a few times w/o having it on any1 and not had any real problems that were due to not having it.

Um yeah that doesn't answer it, sadly. You've only proved and said that it's not needed, but not that it doesn't provide massive damage in the Realm of Torment. Try again.

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Originally Posted by JDRyder

2) they both are bad, use a para with SY and a ES war, nothing will die. Armor is maxed at 100 any way so its not a big change in armor...

lololol totally wrong. Take 2.

JDRyder · Sep 17, 2008, 03:35 PM // 15:35

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

-Your "counters" are crap because throughout this whole thread you haven't backed them up in any way shape or form and what you *have* brought out has further proved you know nothing about what you're talking about.

-"Heros are more appealing cause a lot of times they get things done faster, adding 7heros would just get more poeple to use them cause then thing would get done even faster" proved that you've read and done nothing in this thread since I've explained how they're ONLY appealing to a FEW people and the casual majority will get MORE out of simply playing with henchmen.

-"whats keeping you from H/Hing now?" was not a response to 'making our game more difficult' but simply just altering the gameplay. The valid argument for 7 heroes is that it would provide much more customization and personalization while having little to no effect on the current game.

who has backed u up?

I didnt say that was the only reason. if i was put every reason, it'd be pages long, i dont care that much.

um what? you can already H/H why do you want 7heros. to make the game easier for you? or so you can play dress up?

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

What a valid (sarcasm btw) argument. "i dont know any1 that hasn't used eBay", so therefore EVERYBODY uses the internet! You are simply amazing and providing examples of glaringly bad logical fallacies.

what do you want me to say? "Ive never met some 1 that has not used Ebay, but no1 uses it" ?

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Originally Posted by zwei2stein

Yet you seem to want to prevent such people from 7h-ing and to form groups with humans as much as possible.

Reiterate: Would you like to play with person who would ditch you for 7h-ing?

they have already said they would never pug so. No1 here is preventing any thing, anet as already said they are not going to add them.

Inner Salbat · Sep 17, 2008, 03:43 PM // 15:43

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

What a valid (sarcasm btw) argument. "i dont know any1 that hasn't used eBay", so therefore EVERYBODY uses the internet to buy stuff! You are simply amazing and providing examples of glaringly bad logical fallacies.

I am beginning to understand why (I think it was you) you find some so entertaining.

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Originally Posted by JDRyder

miss me?

Do not make the error that your not still being ignored, it means I can reply with impunity without having to read your asinine reply.

Bryant Again · Sep 17, 2008, 03:54 PM // 15:54

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Originally Posted by JDRyder

who has backed u up?

I didnt say that was the only reason. if i was put every reason, it'd be pages long, i dont care that much.

um what? you can already H/H why do you want 7heros. to make the game easier for you? or so you can play dress up?

I'm not talking about who has backed you up, I'm talking about your actual *proof*, *evidence*, and most importantly, *reasoning*. I'm talking about the "backup" you yourself are supposed to be providing for your statements, which you are not. You are simply saying "yus i has!" and not actually pointing to it.

I never mentioned it being the only reason, I was showing how I proved that particular reason - among many others - wrong.

"Dress up"? I guess being able to customize a whole team that's all you instead of half of one than I guess you could call that "dress up". (What's funny about this is I've said this to you numerous times yet you just now question it.)

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Originally Posted by JDRyder

what do you want me to say? "Ive never met some 1 that has not used Ebay, but no1 uses it" ?

No, that's just as stupid. Say "I've never met some 1 that has not used Ebay, but I also know that I have not met everyone in the world".

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Originally Posted by JDRyder

they have already said they would never pug so. No1 here is preventing any thing, anet as already said they are not going to add them.

Let's hope you don't try to use this as your new trump card, since many have already hounded on the "reasons" ANet has provided (or lack thereof).

And yes Salbat, this is some pretty funnily sad stuff.

Inner Salbat · Sep 17, 2008, 04:41 PM // 16:41

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

Let's hope you don't try to use this as your new trump card, since many have already hounded on the "reasons" ANet has provided (or lack thereof).

They have? first I've heard of it was waaay back when NF was just released Gaile had an appearance and it came up with then, too which she said an I'm not quoting directly because I've no idea where to even begin looking for hold history chat like that but adlib if you like "No we're not planing on doing it", or "No we don't want to do that".

I think just as we expect good solid arguments for or ageist so should ArenaNet give more of the reasoning behind there choice, but we're talking about pretty old choices here and the point of view over there may have changed.

Zahr Dalsk · Sep 17, 2008, 04:48 PM // 16:48

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Originally Posted by JDRyder

they have already said they would never pug so. No1 here is preventing any thing, anet as already said they are not going to add them.

Then why are you even posting here to complain? If ArenaNet isn't adding them, then you could just as easily sit tight and shut up since it won't make a difference either way.

Calista Blackblood · Sep 17, 2008, 04:54 PM // 16:54

congrats on the pissing contest guys

7 heros? if the population of GW is anything like the average poster on this forum

/signed
*name change*
/signed

Inner Salbat · Sep 17, 2008, 05:23 PM // 17:23

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Originally Posted by Calista BlackBlood

congrats on the pissing contest guys

Just wait till we start lobbing yellow snow

DreamWind · Sep 17, 2008, 07:05 PM // 19:05

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Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk

Then why are you even posting here to complain? If ArenaNet isn't adding them, then you could just as easily sit tight and shut up since it won't make a difference either way.

So you could you and everybody else who wants 7 heroes...

trankle · Sep 17, 2008, 09:17 PM // 21:17

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Originally Posted by JDRyder

2) they both are bad, use a para with SY and a ES war, nothing will die. Armor is maxed at 100 any way so its not a big change in armor "think it will be about 10-15? if they use shield sets it does not matter anyway" so its not a big change, some OP skill.

FYI

Armor does not max at 100. The armor cap refers to the limit of +25 that can be achieved through stacking skills. Since SY is a single skill, it is allowed to bypass this cap. Thus, every party member under the effect of SY gains +100 armor, for ~82% damage reduction from non-armor ignoring damage sources.

A caster going from 60AR to 160AR is actually a pretty big change.